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A friend of mine, who works downstairs, picked up this 2022 Mach 1 the other day.  It's actually the first one I've seen in person.  I like the color better than I thought I would.  I also like this spoiler better than the big one.  Other than the automatic, this is the way I'd order one.  I might pick blue if I ordered one.







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I have ZERO desire for an electric car.  When they figure out how we're going to produce all of that electricity and they save me money over a gasoline powered car, I might buy one for an appliance type car.  For an enthusiast car, I'll never be without a manual transmission.

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12 hours ago, Kevin said:

I have ZERO desire for an electric car.  When they figure out how we're going to produce all of that electricity and they save me money over a gasoline powered car, I might buy one for an appliance type car.  For an enthusiast car, I'll never be without a manual transmission.

I was the same way until gas got so high it costs me a truck note to get to work and back home each month.

I don't care where or how they get the juice to run these cars, but they'll have to figure it out because the Govt is mandating by federal law that 50% of new vehicle sales be EV's by 2030.

That's not too far away and I'm sure they'll push the percentage higher by law before 2030 ever gets here.

The public will beg for EV's as the gas prices keep rising.

I don't think $8 a gallon 87 pump gas is too far away.


Vice President Kamala Harris to Announce Action Plan that Fast Tracks Bipartisan Infrastructure Law Investments

President Biden has united automakers and autoworkers to drive American leadership forward on clean cars, and he set an ambitious target of 50% of electric vehicle (EV) sale shares in the U.S. by 2030. Now, the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law will supercharge America’s efforts to lead the electric future, Building a Better America where we can strengthen domestic supply chains, outcompete the world, and make electric cars cheaper for working families.

President Biden, American families, automakers, and autoworkers agree: the future of transportation is electric. The electric car future is cleaner, more equitable, more affordable, and an economic opportunity to support good-paying, union jobs across American supply chains as automakers continue investing in manufacturing clean vehicles and the batteries that power them.

Today, the Biden-Harris-Administration is releasing an EV Charging Action Plan to outline steps federal agencies are taking to support developing and deploying chargers in American communities across the country. As a result of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, the Department of Energy (DOE) and Department of Transportation (DOT) will establish a Joint Office of Energy and Transportation focused on deploying EV infrastructure, working hand-in-hand to collect input and guidance from industry leaders, manufacturers, workers, and other stakeholders that will ensure the national network provides convenient charging for all. The initial focus will be building a convenient, reliable public charging network that can build public confidence, with a focus on filling gaps in rural, disadvantaged, and hard-to-reach locations.

The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law makes the most transformative investment in electric vehicle charging in U.S. history that will put us on the path to a convenient and equitable network of 500,000 chargers and make EVs accessible to all Americas for both local and long-distance trips. The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law includes $5 billion in formula funding for states with a goal to build a national charging network. 10% is set-aside each year for the Secretary to provide grants to States to help fill gaps in the network. The Law also provides $2.5 billion for communities and corridors through a competitive grant program that will support innovative approaches and ensure that charger deployment meets Administration priorities such as supporting rural charging, improving local air quality and increasing EV charging access in disadvantaged communities. Together, this is the largest-ever U.S. investment in EV charging and will be a transformative down payment on the transition to a zero-emission future.

With the historic investments in the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, the Biden-Harris Administration is laying the foundation for a nationwide network of EV charging infrastructure to provide a reliable, affordable, convenient, seamless user experience that is equitable and accessible for all Americans. This network will enable:

  • An accelerated adoption of electric vehicles for all private consumers and commercial fleets, including those who cannot reliably charge at their home that can improve our air quality, reduce emissions, put us on a path to net-zero emissions by no later than 2050, and position U.S. industries to lead global efforts.
  • Targeted equity benefits for disadvantaged communities, reducing mobility and energy burdens while also creating jobs and supporting businesses.
  • Create family-sustaining union jobs that can’t be outsourced.

Electric Vehicle Infrastructure

Today, the Biden-Harris Administration is announcing the following actions:

  • Establishing a Joint Office of Energy and Transportation: Tomorrow, Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg will sign an agreement enabling them to leverage the best resources, talent, and experience at the DOT and the DOE, including the DOE’s National Labs. The Joint Office will ensure the agencies can work together to implement the EV charging network and other electrification provisions in the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. This will provide states, communities, industry, labor, and consumer groups with a coordinated Federal approach and a “one-stop-shop” for resources on EV Charging and related topics. The agencies will complete a Memorandum of Understanding on December 14th to formally launch the Joint Office.
  • Gathering Diverse Stakeholder Input: The White House is convening a series of initial stakeholder meetings on topics including partnerships with state and local government, domestic manufacturing, equity and environmental justice, civil rights, partnering with tribal communities, and maximizing environmental benefits. DOT and DOE will also launch a new Advisory Committee on Electric Vehicles and is targeting to appoint members to this committee by the end of the first quarter of 2022. DOT released an updated guide to deploying EV Charging in highway right-of-way in response to stakeholder interest. To gather input from the widest possible array of stakeholders, DOT has a new EV Charging Request for Information, where stakeholders can submit their priorities for Federal standards and guidance for consideration.
  • Preparing to Issue Guidance and Standards for States and Cities: The Administration is already hard at work developing the guidance and standards described in the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. No later than February 11th, DOT will publish guidance for States and cities to strategically deploy EV charging stations to build out a national network along our nation’s highway system.  This guidance will look at where we already have EV charging and where we need—or will need—more of it.  It will focus on the needs of disadvantaged and rural communities, catalyze further private investment in EV charging, and ensure we’re smartly connecting to our electric grid. No later than May 13th, DOT will publish standards for EV chargers in the national network to ensure they work, they’re safe, and they’re accessible to everyone.
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  • New Solicitation for Alternative Fuel Corridors: Today, the DOT is announcing a forthcoming solicitation for the 6th round of Alternative Fuel Corridors designations. This program, created by the FAST Act in 2015, recognizes highway segments that have infrastructure plans to allow travel on alternative fuels, including electricity. FHWA will establish a recurring process to regularly update these corridors.

The current network of over 100,000 public chargers operates with different plug types, payment options, data availability, and hardware hookups. Today’s actions will establish a more uniform approach, provide greater convenience for customers, and offer increased confidence for industry.  These federal programs will spur additional private sector investments and drive the build-out of a user-friendly, cost-effective, and financially sustainable national network creating well-paying jobs across manufacturing, installation, and operation. A ubiquitous charging infrastructure targeted to meet different consumers’ needs will provide equitable benefits to all Americans and provide flexibility for future investments, effective integration with a clean power system, and support a growing and diversifying fleet of electrified vehicles.

Electric Vehicle Batteries

Another key component of our electric vehicle strategy is to increase domestic manufacturing of EV batteries and components and advance environmentally responsible domestic sourcing and recycling of critical minerals.

In June, the Biden-Harris Administration released 100-day reviews of the supply chains of four critical products, including high-capacity batteries and critical minerals and materials. The reviews made dozens of recommendations across Federal agencies securing a reliable and sustainable end-to-end domestic supply chain for advanced batteries. These recommendations include supporting sustainable and responsible domestic mining and processing of key battery minerals, such as lithium, cobalt, and nickel, and ensuring new domestic automotive battery production adheres to high-road labor standards.

  • The Federal Consortium for Advanced Batteries released the National Blueprint for Lithium Batteries, codifying the findings of the battery supply chain review in a 10-year, whole-of-government plan to urgently develop a domestic lithium battery supply chain that combats the climate crisis by creating good-paying clean energy jobs across America.
  • The DOE Loan Programs Office (LPO) published new guidance and a fact sheet for the approximately $17 billion in loan authority in the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loan Program (ATVM) to support the domestic battery supply chain. LPO will leverage full statutory authority to finance key strategic areas of development and fill deficits in the domestic supply chain capacity. This will include the ATVM program making loans to manufacturers of advanced technology vehicle battery cells and packs for re-equipping, expanding or establishing such manufacturing facilities in the United States.
  • DOE’s Federal Energy Management Program (FEMP) launched a new effort to support deployment of energy storage projects by federal agencies, including a federal government-wide energy storage review that will evaluate the current opportunity for deploying battery storage at federal sites and a call for projects from federal sites interested in deploying energy storage projects. These actions build on steps taken earlier this year to leverage $13 million in FEMP’s Assisting Federal Facilities with Energy Conservation Technologies grants to unlock an estimated $260 million or more in project investments, including battery storage projects.

There are already promising signs that the Administration strategy is working and industry is ready to step up. For example, Lithium is a critical input to batteries where the United States currently has very little domestic supply. The Biden Administration has funded two dozen teams to expand sourcing of lithium from geothermal brines and approved a permit for the Nevada-based Thacker Pass lithium mine. Automakers area also signing contracts that leverage domestic supply, including Ford sourcing lithium from recycled content through Redwood Materials, GM sourcing lithium from geothermal brines in the Salton Sea with Controlled Thermal Resources, and Tesla sourcing lithium from a Piedmont project in North Carolina.

The investments proposed by the Biden Administration will accelerate and amplify this progress. The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law includes more than $7 billion in funding to accelerate innovations and facilities across the battery supply chain from battery materials refining, processing and manufacturing to battery manufacturing, including components, to battery recycling and reuse. These investments will support the development of a North American battery supply chain, help expand manufacturing and recycling facilities in the United States and substantially advance the battery recycling through research, development and demonstration projects in collaboration with retailers as well as state and local governments.

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  • $3 billion in competitive grants for battery minerals and refined materials aimed at accelerating the development of the North American battery supply chain.
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  • An additional $750 million “Advanced Energy Manufacturing and Recycling Grant Program” to re-equip, expand or establish an industrial or manufacturing facility to reduce GHG emissions of that facility substantially below current best practices.



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The government also mandated the metric system.  How are we coming with that?  The government should never mandate anything anyway, ever.  The main reason gasoline is so high is this idiot who is occupying the white house.  When you shut down drilling and rely on foreign oil, what do you expect?  I believe gasoline is artificially expensive in order to drive people to electric vehicles.  Biden will be fighting an uphill battle after November for his last two years in office anyway.


I just don't see the electric vehicles thing working, especially for people who rely on power to work.  I'd love for someone to explain to me how semi trucks, construction equipment, etc. will operate on electricity.  Where this electricity is going to come from is a HUGE hurdle.  

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The Mach is 🔥 my favorite color.

My brother in law’s Tesla model x with the big batteries or whatever couldn’t even make in from Nolensville, Tn to Athens, Al and back to Nolensville without a charge. The trip was 97 miles there and 97 miles back home. It’s supposed to have a 300 mile range. He paid $120k for that piece of shit. My daughter’s $19k rogue is silent with interior road noise compared to the X. I couldn’t believe it. I kept checking to make sure the windows were up due to the wind noise. That’s my real world experience with an EV. It’s probably the future but not even close yet.

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Teslas are 90% hype and tech. They lack a lot IMO before they can be a quality vehicle. Yes, they are insanely fast. Yes, they have cool gadgets and tech. But their quality is absolute shit. No way could Nissan get away with anything approaching how bad those cars are in the real world. 

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4 hours ago, Disney said:

Teslas are 90% hype and tech. They lack a lot IMO before they can be a quality vehicle. Yes, they are insanely fast. Yes, they have cool gadgets and tech. But their quality is absolute shit. No way could Nissan get away with anything approaching how bad those cars are in the real world. 

Examples of what's wrong with the Tesla's?

Is it NVH, short range (miles per charge) on battery, battery life too short to justify cost, etc?

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Fit, Finish, Part quality, NVH. EV and tech is good. The car around it is not. It's hard to find real results for their quality. Some due to Tesla not sharing consumer info, also due to production numbers, and lastly due in a large part by the consumers themselves overlooking a lot more issues than your average consumer. 



This tells some of the story. IF they were on this list, they would be near dead last in initial quality.

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The Challenger has around 10,400 miles on it.  I haven't done much to it.  I've done one cosmetic mod to it.  I put an old school Pentastar on the passenger fender like they did back in the 60s and 70s.  I bought some smoked LED lights to replace those unsightly rear bumper reflectors.  I haven't installed those yet due to the fact that you have to take the whole rear fascia off to get to the fasteners on the backside of the reflectors.

I have almost bought a Barton shifter more than once, but I don't hate the factory shifter like most people do.  I guess when you are used to the ones they put in 1980s Chrysler turbo cars, anything is an upgrade.  I may buy one of those 1970 style pistol grip shifter handles.  They are made by Hurst like the originals, but they cost nearly $300.  I have also contemplated buying a pair of wider factory style wheels and 305 or 315 width rear tires.  I'm trying to decide if I think it's worth it.  It doesn't offer that much more traction and it's hardly noticeable as a cosmetic modification.

As for drivetrain mods, I'm not sure if I'll ever do anything.  My car is still under warranty and the ECU will tell them even if you were thinking about changing anything on a rainy Tuesday in March.  I may eventually do the cam, big throttle body, long tubes, and a tune.  It's expensive as heck to do that kinda stuff to anything newer than an old school small block V8.  I'd like to find a wrecked 392 car and do all the mods to that engine and slap it in my 1980 D150.  Wrecks are hard to find.  You pretty much have to buy takeouts from shops that put the whole shooting match in a crate.  They have videos of them running with ECU, wiring, fuel tank, engine/trans, gauge cluster, infotainment center, and key fob all on a pallet.  My truck has an automatic transmission, so I'd like to find a 392 mated to the 8 speed automatic.


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There is no way we will be 50% elect by 2030. I think automakers are going to loose a shit ton over the electric mandates not to mention the infrastructure required to support them. Electrics are still only a very small % of new car sales. I'm not against electric cars. I just don't want one. I would consider a hybrid though.

Hopefully the mid-terms end this forced carnage on us.


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